Comments on: Practical Guide To Gain Knowledge and Acceptance in IT Community http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/ Bring Asia to the world. Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:46:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: I Gede Sanat Kumara http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-3643 I Gede Sanat Kumara Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:03:08 +0000 http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-3643 Back ten years ago, before Google on, I have been thinking by using IT based to penetrate my core biz ,that is travel business, on the market place (online travel services).I believe there are so many business opportunity for IT community in Indonesia to earn money ( make a living from it) Back ten years ago, before Google on, I have been thinking by using IT based to penetrate my core biz ,that is travel business, on the market place (online travel services).I believe there are so many business opportunity for IT community in Indonesia to earn money ( make a living from it)

]]> By: Mohamad Adriyanto http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-3176 Mohamad Adriyanto Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:25:56 +0000 http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-3176 "Aged Indonesia IT curriculum"? Well, actually the fact in the field is a little bit different. Education & training institutions here have a huge flexibility in tweaking around with the curriculum they use. I don't know why these institutions fail to provide what the market need. It is really possible that Indonesia could be like India in supplying the needs of IT experts for the world. But again, where's the missing link? Maybe, it is because the IT education and training institutions do not have adequate capabilities in coping with international standards. Most of top IT talents in Indonesia don't go to education, they are busy making money elsewhere... “Aged Indonesia IT curriculum”? Well, actually the fact in the field is a little bit different. Education & training institutions here have a huge flexibility in tweaking around with the curriculum they use. I don’t know why these institutions fail to provide what the market need.

It is really possible that Indonesia could be like India in supplying the needs of IT experts for the world.

But again, where’s the missing link? Maybe, it is because the IT education and training institutions do not have adequate capabilities in coping with international standards. Most of top IT talents in Indonesia don’t go to education, they are busy making money elsewhere…

]]> By: dian http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-2657 dian Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:54:47 +0000 http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-2657 exactly black claw, there's no "just do write" but "just do it" he..he (apa artinya ya?) Saya setuju dengan umumnya apa yang sampaikain boss Onno diatas. Sekarang bagaimana kalau kita lihat dari kacamata praktisi IT (baca: cari makan di bidang IT). Hampir bisa di pastikan universitas atau umumnya model pendidikan kita tidak akan bisa mengikuti kecepatan pertumbuhan "ilmu pengetahuan" IT, bahkan bila hanya sekedar mengikuti "main stream" saja masih sangat sulit. Pernyataan ini menjadi benar bila yang di maksud mengikuti adalah selalu diajarkan yang "up to date" semisal teknologi baru, bahasa pemrograman baru, Window Vista, Kernel, microcontroller baru, GSM, CDMA WI-FI, WI-MAX, WI-Wik..(yang terakhir bukan :) Tapi saya yakin, algoritma, logika, flowchart, atau istilah-istilah nested loop, conditional branch, iterasi dll masih sangat relevan ada di dalam kurikulum dan menurut saya gak ada yang salah dengan kurikulum, tapi pengajarnya aja kali...:P, kalo ini rasanya bener kali ya bermasalah, sorry bagi para "educator's". IT bukan perang Robinhood, or David vs Goliath (baca: Linux vs Microsoft). IT harusnya dan sudah menjadi sarana seleksi alam bagi manusia bermutu. Sebab tidak semua orang punya kemampuan dan kesempatan mengikuti pendidikan di lembaga pendidikan yang di sebut "baik". Yang di butuhkan orang-orang IT adalah Ilmu dasar yang baik, logika yang baik dan itu tidak susah kok, gak perlu ganti kurikulum k, nanti bakalan jadi project dan obyekan aja. Sama yang terakhir adalah kesempatan yang seluas-luasnya buat yang memang mampu, "please ini untuk boss-boss it" tanpa melihat uni nya apa? institut nya apa? IT harus bisa membuat hidup yang lebih baik buat pemakai maupun pelaku nya. Yang terakhir buat boss Onno, orang IT perlu contoh nyata nih, mungkin khususnya saya, saya pengen boss Onno bikin perusahaan IT, yang notabene opensource terus perusahaan tadi jadi yang terbesar di Asia Tenggara, terus boss Onno tulis dong tips and trick nya.. biar kita-kita bisa nyusul jadi besar...please ya boss exactly black claw,
there’s no “just do write” but “just do it”
he..he (apa artinya ya?)

Saya setuju dengan umumnya apa yang sampaikain boss Onno diatas. Sekarang bagaimana kalau kita lihat dari kacamata praktisi IT (baca: cari makan di bidang IT).

Hampir bisa di pastikan universitas atau umumnya model pendidikan kita tidak akan bisa mengikuti kecepatan pertumbuhan “ilmu pengetahuan” IT, bahkan bila hanya sekedar mengikuti “main stream” saja masih sangat sulit. Pernyataan ini menjadi benar bila yang di maksud mengikuti adalah selalu diajarkan yang “up to date” semisal teknologi baru, bahasa pemrograman baru, Window Vista, Kernel, microcontroller baru, GSM, CDMA WI-FI, WI-MAX, WI-Wik..(yang terakhir bukan :)

Tapi saya yakin, algoritma, logika, flowchart, atau istilah-istilah nested loop, conditional branch, iterasi dll masih sangat relevan ada di dalam kurikulum dan menurut saya gak ada yang salah dengan kurikulum, tapi pengajarnya aja kali…:P, kalo ini rasanya bener kali ya bermasalah, sorry bagi para “educator’s”.

IT bukan perang Robinhood, or David vs Goliath (baca: Linux vs Microsoft). IT harusnya dan sudah menjadi sarana seleksi alam bagi manusia bermutu. Sebab tidak semua orang punya kemampuan dan kesempatan mengikuti pendidikan di lembaga pendidikan yang di sebut “baik”.

Yang di butuhkan orang-orang IT adalah Ilmu dasar yang baik, logika yang baik dan itu tidak susah kok, gak perlu ganti kurikulum k, nanti bakalan jadi project dan obyekan aja.

Sama yang terakhir adalah kesempatan yang seluas-luasnya buat yang memang mampu, “please ini untuk boss-boss it” tanpa melihat uni nya apa? institut nya apa?

IT harus bisa membuat hidup yang lebih baik buat pemakai maupun pelaku nya.

Yang terakhir buat boss Onno, orang IT perlu contoh nyata nih, mungkin khususnya saya, saya pengen boss Onno bikin perusahaan IT, yang notabene opensource terus perusahaan tadi jadi yang terbesar di Asia Tenggara, terus boss Onno tulis dong tips and trick nya.. biar kita-kita bisa nyusul jadi besar…please ya boss

]]> By: aldi armia http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-2472 aldi armia Sat, 03 Nov 2007 04:28:37 +0000 http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-2472 I'm mostly in agreement with pak ono. but one thing that most teachers tend to forget is the practicality of IT in real world. i worked with many programmers whom more concerned with coding rather than focusing on finding solutions rather. coding is just a vehicle, one must know how to get to a destination before stepping on the gas. this is what i think most universities are still lacking. I’m mostly in agreement with pak ono. but one thing that most teachers tend to forget is the practicality of IT in real world. i worked with many programmers whom more concerned with coding rather than focusing on finding solutions rather. coding is just a vehicle, one must know how to get to a destination before stepping on the gas. this is what i think most universities are still lacking.

]]> By: Black_Claw http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-2388 Black_Claw Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:56:28 +0000 http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-2388 In that case, wrote is easier, lol. In that case, wrote is easier, lol.

]]> By: dian http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-2148 dian Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:19:09 +0000 http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-2148 how if "create something" vs "wrote something" how if “create something” vs “wrote something”

]]> By: abah oryza http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-1429 abah oryza Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:14:42 +0000 http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-1429 wah, bung onno ini sering mampir ke lampung ... semoga tulisan beliau terus mengalir seperti air wah, bung onno ini sering mampir ke lampung … semoga tulisan beliau terus mengalir seperti air

]]> By: Martha http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-1428 Martha Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:33:40 +0000 http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-1428 I agree with most of the ideas that you have presented here. But I'd like to make a little defense from an educator's point of view. In my humble opinion, an educator should teach students how to think, how to solve problems and how to find information. I agree that the IT world of knowledge is ever changing, ever evolving. One skill a student might learn in the classroom today, might be extinct the minute he/she steps out of the classroom. Because of this phenomenon it is important that educators give students the foundations they need to survive. And again, that is how to think, how to solve problems and how to find information. That may mean that we cannot cram every single skill and knowledge in the short amount of time we have during their undergrad studies. But with those basic foundations, they should be able to keep up. But again, that would depend on the person. The responsibility cannot be placed wholly on the educational institution. Yes, I agree with you that a graduate may not be fully equipped to face the "real world" once he/she is bestowed his/her degree. I agree that our education system needs improvement. But the improvement needs to be in the way we teach. Not only what we teach. (Sorry it's so long :-)) I agree with most of the ideas that you have presented here. But I’d like to make a little defense from an educator’s point of view.

In my humble opinion, an educator should teach students how to think, how to solve problems and how to find information. I agree that the IT world of knowledge is ever changing, ever evolving. One skill a student might learn in the classroom today, might be extinct the minute he/she steps out of the classroom. Because of this phenomenon it is important that educators give students the foundations they need to survive. And again, that is how to think, how to solve problems and how to find information. That may mean that we cannot cram every single skill and knowledge in the short amount of time we have during their undergrad studies. But with those basic foundations, they should be able to keep up. But again, that would depend on the person. The responsibility cannot be placed wholly on the educational institution.

Yes, I agree with you that a graduate may not be fully equipped to face the “real world” once he/she is bestowed his/her degree. I agree that our education system needs improvement. But the improvement needs to be in the way we teach. Not only what we teach.

(Sorry it’s so long :-))

]]> By: sunardi http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-1333 sunardi Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:35:09 +0000 http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-1333 Good work Pak Onno. Way to go. You're the real IT father in Indonesia, not the "you know who"... Good work Pak Onno. Way to go. You’re the real IT father in Indonesia, not the “you know who”…

]]> By: isanestik http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-1287 isanestik Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:22:07 +0000 http://asiablogging.com/blog/192/practical-guide-to-gain-knowledge-and-acceptance-in-it-community/#comment-1287 The obstacle then occur "when our curriculum can be mature to face the reality?".Meanwhile,our government has just done proudly with their very little progress...hope there is any little change for this situation Ask Why? The obstacle then occur “when our curriculum can be mature to face the reality?”.Meanwhile,our government has just done proudly with their very little progress…hope there is any little change for this situation

Ask Why?

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